Bill delves into what ‘higher education’ in America really is: a racket that sells you a very expensive ticket to the upper middle class.
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Bill delves into what ‘higher education’ in America really is: a racket that sells you a very expensive ticket to the upper middle class.
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The idea is to make college affordable to all, not necessarily to have everyone go to college. You know, so your degree doesn’t put you into debt for the rest of your life.
ReplyJust so you know: 1) In principle, I agree; 2) I would bet without research that the texas tech water slide is also an ongoing project, involving many departments. Water parks exist, and fluid dynamics is a serious discipline. So is architecture, no doubt this is a specialty—like heart surgery.
It’s fun to make fun.
As an Ivory League grad, you definitely know. Stop lying to play to the audience. I see you.
I am beginning to see you as a mike pence liberal. He is only a Conservative because of abortion, and the scary ethnics. You are only a Liberal because of abortion and cannabis.
You are a selfish, short-sighted man. You can be very funny, but you are definitely an OLD WHITE GUY, complaining about old white guy shit.
You couldn’t get your solar up for a couple of years? GREG ABBOTT JUST TOOK AWAY THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF EVERY FEMALE LIVING IN TEXAS.
Get some PERSPECTIVE.
ReplyTo paraphrase Tom Nichols, when he says the same thing, everyone loses their minds.
ReplyThose were some tepid claps on the “paying for others” argument. No shit, that’s normal for taxes. You don’t get to pick and choose what it’s spent on.
ReplyStraw man argument Bill. We want to make college free for anyone who wants to go. That means county and state colleges. The rich will not be sending their kids to those schools. As far as cost…legislation could be passed to stop and prevent gouging. Monopolies controlling pricing with no trace of free market in the horizon
ReplyThat can be settled with progressive tax, but US do not have progressive tax, you pay and pay and suddenly you don’t need to pay
ReplyIgnorance is curable but stupidity is forever, education and intelligence are not the same thing.
ReplyOne major problem with the Education program in the United States is that THEY ARE TO LAX ON EDUCATION. One of my friends from another Country Choose to Learn in High School: 5 languages, Math and Science … total focus on these subjects. Her Middle School focused on these subjects too but also provided her with what the United States learns in High school. Unlike the United States, Academic or General subjects in High school … Big Difference between that Country and the United States. The Boys Education was/is devoted to languages, math, science, and technology.
ReplyAnd another Country learns everything the United States learns k-12 before High School … Then comes to the United States to go to the University’s because it’s easier for them to get their degree(s) and some of the time the United States PAYS for their Bachelors, Masters, and even Doctorate programs. So if the Rich in the United States were asked to help the educational process out by paying more money … Then I think that: 1. The Educational Program Needs to be REVISED and 2. The Educational program needs to be offered to every single person across the board. Time for the United States to be about a fair educational environment … not only for the Rich …
This comment section is a relief, I thought I was the only one. Thank you, everybody.
Reply4 years of art school did not land me a white collar job. Now that I paid off my loans by toiling for 10 years, I tell my friends with kind not to send their kids to college unless they’re academically super diligent and have purpose.
ReplyShout out to trade colleges and community colleges…..and bring back shop and trade schooling.
ReplySelf funded higher education model produces people like D Trump, who pay all that it takes to graduate, as well as colleges that are more interested in in their fees structures rather than the quality of education, for that is the current USA model.
ReplyIt seems to this outsider that the significant amount of US citizens could use a greater depth of understanding about the world they live in.
Previously on this program Bill showed how backwards and ignorant large sway of US citizens (of all classes) are in the views. How else do you drag the ignorant and uneducated from what @ times are Europe Dark ages like views (young earth creationists, partisan political perspective, QAnon, etc).
I have a degree in Education. I am appalled at the educational system.
ReplyFlorida-🖕
ReplyThe exploding cost of colleges is why we need free college.
ReplyHowmanny Billions go to bombs..guns..planes..tanks..foreign aid??…. Well…. Somelawyers maybe not smart enough to be engineers.. Drs… Some sort of science…. Ohhh.. Specialized law cartel representation???!….. Avoid the learning in the unroofed Field?!?…..
ReplyI love Bill’s boomer energy in this one
ReplyI will walk in person Green River College! That is how much you invested in my education! This will be happening, in person!
ReplyAlways been f farms.
Reply“…A very expensive ticket to the Upper Middle Class”
*Barista with a Master’s Degree dies slowly on the inside.
ReplyBlair-era student here – doesn’t work. I learned everything I do now in my current job on YouTube.
ReplyPay a realistic wage to everyone because collage dropout is high and expensive and most people have no ability to access college. Again real wages. You can do without someone with a degree but you can’t do without the guy who empty’s the garbage. Pay him/her well because you can’t live without them. An English major you don’t need.
ReplyIf you’re gonna make college free, just make stem subjects and subjects you need people in free. Nobody wants to pay for somebody else to study something ludicrous.
Reply“More science less visual arts ”
ReplySo evidently according to Bill Maher animation, cgi / environmental artists, photographers, video Grapher, production sculptors, modelers, storyboard illustrators aren’t important.
Only liberal saying this, are we mad, great take
ReplyI’m Conservative voting but I can handle Bill Maher’s variety of Liberalism. At least it’s normal enough.
ReplyIt doesn’t take a college degree to see all education is part of the corporate system. You can learn a whole course load online for free on your breaks at work.
ReplyHey Bill your wallet is showing. Your own graph shows the benefit of a higher education. 100% more is 100% more, how is that a bad thing? What’s the trade off working 16 hours a day for minimum wage and no benefits? Just like anything else, college is what you put in to it. Bad take Bill, not very well thought out.
ReplyMy grand mother had a saying “ Too much education and no brains” …
ReplyBill Maher majored in English and History–he’s not certified to practice comedy.
ReplyHe nailed this college segment
ReplyFund the STEM and will be payed only after completion . STEM creates wealth and not liberal arts
ReplyIt’s not college’s fault, it’s businesses using diplomas as culling tools. No diploma? Throw out that application. They hire anybody with a bullshit degree over someone who actually did the job. A college degree is the new high school diploma.
Replycoming from a country with free universities, let me just say: you could have that too if you stopped spending billions on bullshit.
ReplyI would love to hear Bill Maher suggest a solution once in a while when he is trashing the direction of Gov policy. But that would make him a target too, wouldn’t it.
ReplyBill, the classic liberal, now sounds like the middle of the road republican
ReplyIn UK from working class immigrant Indians , poor but good at science….In UK won a place at Uni to do Pharmacy ( 90 out of 4200 got in who applied ) and state paid for it all. Hey the best thing at my Uni was the Students union and cheap bar..and cheap concerts ….. Just told if you fail exams you are OUT., … I fully support funding like a MEISTER as in Germany with 3 yr top craft course and is seen as equivalent to a degree !!! Not all are academic so at school give them trades exams and further education/practical to get the prized Meister title. ……. In UK cost for my Pharmacy degree was £0 and addition £300 for books and lab coats + because poor a free grant to live !!!! I have paid back much more in taxes and do so because it helps little kids like me . I got 3 degrees now and a Punk-rocker also but as wife German worked on a building site ( useless paper as could not speak German then ) and learned so much in 2yrs from the brickies ..respect they taught me all and built quite a few houses from nada…. they used to say we are the shit of the crap… Nah great lads and skilled….bloody give kids a real education in crafts/trades that are not just a 2 week crash course but respected !!!!!
ReplyThe problem is you have a four year degree with only two years of actual subjects related to the degree you are after. I have a friend I know in Washington doing a degree in Volcanology and he just finished all his actual subjects and now has to do courses like a German language course or a Ski course. Like what the actual fuck.
ReplyBill is becoming PURPLE PILL
ReplyNo tuition collage is for lower cost schools and vocational education which should be available to everyone, just like primary 1-12. Pointing out the failure of crooked schools doesn’t help. Just like no tuition primary education made the early 20th century the most prosperous ever, education is an investment, not an expense. The more prosperous and stable European countries have learned the lesson that the USA seems to have forgotten.
ReplyMost students don’t really know what they want in life. Maybe we should give all students the option (at 18) work for 5 years and let em try different things. And then have the option for free eduction. This will give them an idea on what they like and they will also act more mature. I know this is out there. Let’s try it anyway. Comparing college degrees with tickets to heaven… I didn’t expect this from you Bill. A little disappointed to be honest. ( not by your stance, but the way you defend it).
ReplyWow Bill… Lots of negative generalizations about college students based on one entitled response from Lori Loughlin’s spoiled daughter. You are out of touch. And it seems to me that creativity breeds innovation. China is beating the US? Seems innovation is happening here… and you don’t even include the huge divestment in the public university system by the state governments which explains why a college education costs so much more than in the 1970s when you probably attended. Just proves that your generation burned the bridge behind you…
Reply*Defund Billionaires – & – limit inheritances* to siblings for no more than 1 Million Dollars.
ReplyPut the money in the USA and RAISE Minimum Wage to $60 Dollars an Hour.
Use Technology to reduce the Work Week to 25 hours a week.
Bill doesn’t know how to change a tire either.
ReplyFinally someone says what I’ve been saying since I was young. Trade schools is the only one worth it in my mind. It’s a fucking propaganda business.
ReplyNot always a fan of Maher but, SPOT ON MAN! WELL DONE! What is avoided is that this is a natural extension of government funded social programing! If the government was not funding/regulating education this would not be possible.
ReplyI believe one of the main reasons college is so expensive is all of the government bureaucracy. To cover all of the disabilities, and rights of students, etc, there is a lot more reporting and requirements to have staff behind the scenes. They also require libraries to buy so many volumes of books every year even though everything is online. All of the bureaucracy adds up.
ReplyBill just wondering how you form your opinions because while there are kernels of truth in your rant, a lot of it is just oversimplification, distortions and generalizations. I agree that there are lots of problems in our educational systems ( and in the way we’re raising our kids in many cases) , but debasing higher education is probably not helpful at the moment while true ignorance and reptilian brain thinking run rampant in our society.
ReplyLet’s be honest college is 90% a complete scam. Math courses are the most expensive which you need the least in most fields. X=y solve for Z. What a load of corrupt government and university bullshit
ReplyEven when I’m really old, I will always remember Trump’s phrase “I love the poorly educated”
ReplyI’m a high school teacher and I agree. College Scam is real. It’s all about making the graduation rate and college bound percentages as high as possible for the school district to look good. The last thing considered is what is best for the students and our country.
ReplyI agree with 100% on this one Bill. I am at the end of my bachelor’s program and I feel like I have not been prepared to function in a business. I feel cheated, but I understand that the problem is not entirely the university, because as you said, it is a business that sells what people want to buy. I want to be a functioning member of society and my environment, lack of opportunities and misuse of the opportunities I did get, contribute to my low motivation. Now I’m just trying to get better one day at the time.
ReplyI have a degree and I’m truly glad that I did all the work involved to get it. Education IS a wonderful thing, in and of itself. If I could, I’d stay in college forever and just keep learning. Knowledge is something I value. There is a HUGE difference between learning and what occurs is college these days. I saw so many people cheat their way through just to get the piece of paper that gets them nowhere long term. As a society, we aren’t doing anything for the right reason and it really pisses me off when people shit on education. But then again, education expands your mind and no one wants to do that.
ReplyThe problem is that nowadays, you need a PhD to flip a burger at McDonalds or wipe somebody else’s ass. When people used to get college degrees, it was for careers that actually required a college education.
ReplyBill Maher on his “Please clap” bs. He tells us he’s a Republicon every day.
ReplyIn many european countries, university is free. eg Germany. Used to be free in the UK till the recent austerity.
Maher has a BA, not a B.Sc, from Cornell.
Say what you will, university changes you. It gives you a different outlook on life. Not having a degree normally results in you’re have a narrow outlook on life, and making you a trump voter
ReplyBill… don’t you realize that ‘free college’ is simply a way for the Democrats to buy votes.? That’s the pitch… vote for us and you’ll get free everything.
ReplyWhen Bill Mahr starts sounding conservative…… something is changing
ReplyBill you are a Republican. This country blows billions on MIC, tax cuts for the rich, bailing out banks and businesses and you’re rally against free college . You are unbelievably.
ReplyMost trade schools in the USA are run by the Unions & Employers in the trade they represent. Only problem most of the construction companies are non-union, rather have semi-skilled, lower paid workers or “independent contractors. Most states have no qualifications for “contractors” besides insurance & bonding.
ReplyCouldn’t do it huh bill, had to get trump in there
ReplyOnce again I agree 100% with Bill. I’ve been saying this since Obama kept promoting college degrees for everyone
ReplyFree education shelter and healthcare are basic human rights which charlatan Bill would never comprehend.
ReplyI have a history degree. All done with your meal? Can I bus your plate?
ReplyThe problem is the inflationary policy of unlimited government funding (loans) to anyone who can get in anywhere to studying anything, without regard to the borrower’s ability to pay back the loans.
ReplyCareer training in the trades or college prep should replace the last 2 years of high school INSTEAD of adding cost of free college for everyone. We are the only species that coddles our kids until they’re 22, or 26 for a masters degree in useless majors
ReplyBills lazy distinction between higher education is bad, (meaning learning and becoming smart) and how much higher education programs rip you off is irresponsible. In fact America’s biggest problem is lack of education; the cognitive dissonance of him talking about higher education in a bad light while ripping on capitol rioters/trump supporters is self defeating. Higher education is exactly what we need to stop climate denial and nut job conspiracy theories. Trumps stupidity and those who follow him is a result of unaffordable higher education, not being educated in itself. Bills losing intelligence as he becomes older. It’s tragic.
Reply5:19 Doubles every 9 years, isn’t that a metric for uncovering money laundering?
ReplyHay Bill, why don’t you target the idiot students who are too fat, lazy and entitles to be suffered with accomplishing anything. Also, how much do you tip a valet or the bagger at the store? Do you even value what is right in front of you? Raising the wage of a clerk or gas attendant feeds into the fallacy that value is intrinsically tied to salary or wage. If you think that is true, ask anyone who stayed home and raised ungrateful kid(s) if it was worth their “salary.”
ReplyBiden Tax plan is for community college. Bill is talking about 4 years universities.
ReplyIF THERE IS PROSPERITY IN OUR FAMILY AND COMMUNITY, it’s because of our education centers, if there is selfish ignorant greedy hoarding prostitute FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES, it’s because of our education centers.
ReplyUSC is a private school.
ReplyUpper middle class? Hardly. 40 years of teaching, two masters, but make less than teachers they hire this year.
ReplyLibrarians don’t “file books.” That’s a common misperception.
ReplyGotta feel sorry for druggies when they get old and the brain starts to deteriorate, all they can do is gripe.
ReplyI just completed an MBA at a top 30 school, near the top of my class, and my experience is that it is not a “ticket to the upper middle class.” I have followed all the rules when applying and I still can’t even get interviews. So idk what the secret is. I paid all this money for garbage and my salary after 5+ years of work experience (and I’m not kidding) is $46k.
ReplyNailed it. Biggest con in today’s society.
ReplyMaher is right about the problem. The cause? Partial… in 1971, the supreme court liberals banned corporations using general intelligence or IQ tests to screen employees. Thus, an inextinguishable market for IQ-screening (i.e., degrees) was opened. Degrees are a sign of commitment and intelligence, hence the fact that you don’t need to learn anything particularly useful there for the degree to be valuable.
ReplyThe reason why tuition has gone up for public colleges,and that’s where most students go, is because for the last forty years government has contributed less and less to the institutions. The reason for this is because government doesn’t have as much money as it used to. The reason for that is because rich fucks like Bill Maher don’t want to pay their fare share in taxes.
ReplyAbout time somebody talked about this scam…. people in school into their 30’s then retirement at 62…. small % of productive people carrying the load is not sustainable… printing money won’t work without productivity….
Replyone of the rare occasions these days that i agree with Bill for the most part.
Replyi learned this 20 years ago on my way to dropping out and becoming a tradesman.
ReplyActually he is wrong about the liberal arts, more Americans math scores tend to be higher than scores on reading comprehension.
Replybilll is full of bullshit today … not very well thought out … pointless, wrong, feels like hes playing to low IQ viewers …
ReplyI’ve got a degree in business. Jobs wont’ pay over 15 an hour.
ReplyWomen today will die alone because there are no more men going college and last I heard women marry up. Good luck ladies. 😉🤙
ReplyAmerica sucks, I’ve liver here all my life. Name 1 good thing.
ReplyNO BUSINESS HAD THAT MUCH INCREASE AND SOME STOOD THE SAME SINCE 1985
Replyimagine agreeing, without batting an eye, that we should all pay for k-12 schooling because the benefits of an educated, globally competitive population are obvious
and then not supporting free college
ReplyIsn’t it funny that after all the time and money wasted, people still think college = education.
ReplyPeople flock to US universities and colleges from all over the world, the US higher education system is flawed… but viewed the world-over as prestigious.
ReplyToo many Qdummies…..
ReplyHit the nail on the head — multiple times! I’d love to see his razor wit attack the student loan scandal — universities all over the country misleading and profiting from getting their students to take out more and more loans. What do you think caused the huge increase in college tuition? Not having any skin in the game, they could charge whatever they wanted.
Reply百万漕工衣食所系 😀
ReplyBill is wrong one one point Collage is not nessesary to make a great income. As Mike Rowe says you can go to a one or two year trade school and make as much or more than a collage grad or you can do a apprentce program that will get you great pay. The down side is you may have to do some real work or maybe get your hands dirty in these professions.
ReplyThere always needs to be a Trump zinger in his shtick. The only leader with the balls to go against the left’s fucking bullshit that his monologue was critical about. I just don’t get that..it’s like the the Republican”never-Trumpers.” What kinda person do you think was going be able to change things in Washington? Nobody ever again..that’s for sure!
ReplyCompletely agree.
ReplyI really would love to become a veternarian. Working with animals has been something I’ve loved for many years, but I cannot afford the $200k bill and 8 years of medical school to do a job that maybe pays $70k a year. The education system is broken from the very lowest levels to the highest degrees.
I don’t want free education, I just want the opportunity to excel doing something that I not only love, but that has an actual benefit to society. College has become the gatekeeper, and we can no longer afford the key.
ReplyIs it really liberal for someone who doesn’t go to college and makes less money to pay for people who do go and make more?
ReplyHe’s getting grouchier and more annoying before our very eyes.
ReplyThe rich go to college and the middle class and poor go to work or war in America.
ReplyUnfortunately it’s not a degree it’s a receipt.
ReplyA college degree is not a ticket to the upper middle-class. It’s a hedge against poverty.
ReplySo Yangwasright?
ReplyCant believe how often I am agreeing with Bill
ReplyHis guests suck, but his New Rules do not
ReplyBill Maher really is an out of touch bitter old man who loves the propoganda. He boils everyone down to the eyes of rich white folks. And unfortunately that’s not the world. I don’t give a damn about what a privileged girl believes. But yet he never once directed the ire towards the ones who created this problem… His buddies
ReplyA thousand thumbs down from Millennial college graduates with buyer’s remorse.
ReplyYou get a degree in brain washing. Plus it’s free brain washing thanks to AOC.
ReplyBill keeps forgetting that it’s #TaxTheRich–they owe us SO much.
ReplyI work in academia and this is 100% correct. Honestly, it’s not even the half of it in terms of what is wrong there. Education under capitalism is barely education.
ReplyAYCE Lobster Night at Rutgers. Million dollar speakers at graduation. College was/is a total farce.
ReplyThe problem with American private colleges is the huge cost of that diploma. In a socialized education system like Germany, the federal government pays but the costs per student are far less than what US colleges charge per student. Just like the US medical system, which is the mos expensive in the world, the real goal should be to give a quality education to more people at a reasonable cost – not just those who can afford to pay the current norm.
ReplySay what you want about Mike Rowe, the man makes a good point. Just like Bill here.
ReplyAdmin cost? Yep. Out of control to keep up with government regulations.
ReplyI’m from China and I think this video is a bit too pessimistic? The US has all the top universities, like MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Caltech, Princeton, UC Berkeley and the list goes on. Scientific, engineering, computer and math research is top notch in the US. Your economy is fuelled by innovation (Silicon valley never ceases to amaze me). Here in China we’re still trying to learn how to do science the way you do. I understand Bill would like to point out some inefficiencies in the American system but I think overall the US is doing just fine. Or am I missing something here?
ReplyThis is kind of rich coming from a guy who went to a top notch Ivy League school . This might come as surprise going to school was more than about a paycheck . If that’s all your about maybe it’s a waste…
Reply200k for a degree that guarantees you NOTHING makes as much sense as putting your hand into a bears mouth….yet the “elite” still look down on trade schools while all the plumbers i know make about 175k a year…yea makes sense to me
ReplyI’m in a trade school because I didn’t wanna pay for overrated and over priced college. I shouldn’t have to pay for someone else college
ReplyWell, if you major in useless areas, you get NOTHING! 90% of degrees are worthless. Go to trade school. Not everyone can be above average, or else everyone would be average.
ReplyIf you think is bad now when compared to China or Korea or Denmark or whatever, just wait until the new generation of graduates come out; these are kids that won’t even have to pass their classes because they are phasing out the SAT, the grading, the exams, etc, because only “feelings” and racial background, level of white supremacy oppression, and the rest of the stupidity will be the “factors” to be considered for admission. Since math and physics, and STEM in general are “racist” just wait for the new engineers and doctors to come out of those schools…help us god!
ReplyTax the really, really rich corporations!
Redesign education, preschool to PhD to be developmentally appropriate, more languages, more art and especially critical thinking, responsibility, empathy, & life skills—change a tire, sew on a button, order pizza, open a checking account.
ReplyIf college is just b.s. scams then why is Cornell graduate Bill Maher so successful?
ReplyWell rounded people learn from life, college and hard work… all at the same time! At least get a minor in finance people, it will help you in your own life!
ReplyNice to see Bill getting wise again
ReplyI know people who only stay enrolled in school to get the financial payments and only use a snack amount towards their education.
ReplyYeah all those people that stared at blackboards that got covid origin wrong, or pcr, ivermectin, mrna vaccine safety.Or our leaders that lie to us constantly
ReplyThe useful/necessary degrees should be free…
ReplyI’m with Bill, people shouldn’t have to pay for someone else’s higher education. Should college be cheaper…. absolutely but the people shouldn’t have to flip the bill.
ReplyBill is a far right conspiracy theorist 😂
ReplyKeep federal government money out of these scam institutions.
ReplyRight on. No reason whatsoever that any school should charge such high prices. It’s ridiculous. And I’m fully aware that the government shouldn’t be involved in regulating profits… but the government should regulate higher education prices instead of doling out loans, or expecting taxpayers to flip the bill for whomever… I don’t agree that education should be down played, and that includes trade school and on-the-job training programs. I’ve got a masters and training in woodworking… guess which one pays my bills? So in my opinion, those who opt for something other than college should be given the same financial freedoms and support. Diversify the market, don’t bottleneck with one track thinking… homogeny isn’t ecologically, or economically healthy.
ReplyThe solution is simple and I’m surprised that that Bill didn’t mention this. What improved the life of working and middle class families is simply UNIONIZATION!!! How else can a person can have any negotiation with mega-Corps?
ReplyNeed more job specific courses at more affordable tertiary institutions.
ReplyAnyone who tries to tell you that incredibly massive and complicated problems can be solved with one simple trick, like healthcare or education, is usually full of shit
ReplyRobotics/automation/a.i. will push 40-80% of folks into unemployment in the next few decades.
ReplyYeah, I’m not Fkn paying for that either. Lazy
Replya$$ in a lazy river studying 5 hours a day for gender studies on my dime. Naw, I’m good. Pay for your on sh!t degree
Didn’t Bill Maher graduate with a BA from Cornell. Yet he went into stand up comedy. And the students at the University of Missouri didn’t ask for a lazy river, the school built one instead to attract more students. And the constant disparagement of young people. He doesn’t even have anyone younger than 30 on his show. Not once has he asked a young person how come you haven’t done this. Bill Maher is turning into a bitter old man.
ReplyAs a multi-millionaire tells us what is correct. .. I m no longer subscribed.
ReplyMan, Bill is really leaning into every Boomer stereotype over the last few years. I used to be an avid fan, but I think it’s time for grandpa to retire and yell at the kids on his front lawn.
ReplyMakes sense computer science can be done now in highschool or trade school.
ReplyI’m surprised 45% are getting As, but also not surprised. Where I went in Canada, I heard that Harvard students on transfers struggled at my university. I can see why. As were rare as fuck, only the top nerds got them (I should know, i never slept and busted my ass for the ones i did get)
ReplyGood Florida Burn❗️
Replythat why it should be free… so the diff between rich and poor are less, seems like bill lost his mind this week
ReplyThat shit he said about nurses taking bullshit classes is 1000% absolutely true.
ReplyThe US might want to look at the European higher education system.
ReplyBiden’s family plan tries to make community college free, not college. Bill makes good points here but he’s not completely correct.
ReplyIs Bill embracing the Right’s anti-intellectualism?
ReplyTrue. My wife was laid off in her field after 20 years. Now, all of a sudden, to get back in her field, she needs a higher degree! They don’t care about the experience, just the degree. WTF?
ReplyThen the problem is not people going to college. It’s the American type of college. Europe doesn’t charge as much or we have really decent free colleges. In my country, the best universities are those subsidised by the government.
ReplyChange your system. With free college, believe me, we have it in Europe, not everyone goes.
I’ve never heard any of my friends and family saying the stuff like having a college experience. Studying is hard work.
Bill I hope you do a New Rule on High Schools. Virtually none in my city have offered vocational classes for decades. Instead the public & charter schools define success as all the students getting college acceptance letters. A lot of students are not good at academics. The teens who prefer to work with their hands in a trade have nothing. And I’m your age and have never needed geometry or trig, but understanding interest rates, contracts, home & auto financing, pros & cons of different types of loans, mortgages, and taxes would have been far more helpful.
ReplyAs I have often said, even D average students get a piece of paper. I am skilled trade and make more $$ than a lot of college graduates that I know.
ReplyPlease don’t use Europe as an example. The more you speak of us, the more Sauron”s eye focuses on us. We are fed up with anti-european lying propaganda, tbh, calling us socialists, claiming that freedom of speech and overall freedom is being curtailed in Europe and some other insane crap that is not true at all. We are freer than you, really. Just do your thing and we do ours.
ReplyUse Japan or South Korea as examples. They have the same systems.
Ugh. Bill has changed. He has lost me. Too bad. I use to admire him.
ReplyDid Bill Maher do his show while Covid positive?
ReplyI got loans, went to college then joined the Army to pay for it. I’m a multimillionaire now. Why tf should some average working joe pay for my school loans?
ReplyAbsolutely right— this from a conservative
ReplyHe’s turning into a bit of an right winger. I do however agree that we should try to educate people out of poverty or colleges experience should be more affordable and we need to find a way to push people back into curriculums that actually creates a better society. And colleges should not be able to charge as much as they do however yes I did the rich people shit and subsidize college experience is so dumb for all of that he should say the average people can’t cover Social Security or Medicare or school K to 12 or the police department
ReplyBoomers who’re broke are mad they didn’t go to college, millennials are broke and are mad they went to college.
ReplyThe dumbing down of humanity. At least USA lead the one in one thing
ReplyWow, Bill! Before ya know it, you’ll be a Christian! Or a Republican. I know those are cuss words to you, but your thinking lately is conservative common sense stuff that we’ve been saying for years now.
ReplyThat sells you the CHANCE to get to the upper middle class…
Reply2 time college dropout here. 2 years into a career in hi-tech. Recently promoted to run a whole department at a growing startup. Learned everything I need to know from an $80 Udemy course, YouTube, blogs, paying attention to the world around me, training myself to think better, and on the job. Still took me 10 years to pay off the loans for 3 useless semesters of a State College
ReplyThis is not at all why education is bad… it doesn’t actually get you a job…
ReplyPreach on
ReplySure – assuming all people are “self-starters” and has self-discipline. Assuming all people know what field they will enter, during high school. Assuming all people can afford the training necessary to enter said field (once decided). Assuming everyone works/performs tasks at the same rate. Assuming all people have the “common sense” needed (not everyone has it, and don’t kid yourself – people who claim to have it, often do not). Assuming everyone has confidence to do whatever they want/need. Just a few reasons why advanced schooling is necessary. So you never went to college and have a great job – RING A DING DING FOR YOU.
ReplySo bitter and cynical. Teaching our kids is important…..you lost me. You are pathetic angry about everything. MAN KAREN……whiney pants
ReplyBill’s making a lot of assumptions here. Personally, I don’t know the specifics of how the money is going to be spent, but I don’t think it’s about sending people to fancy colleges that looks more like spring break resorts than an education center. The concerns Bill has is justified, the examples and reasons he uses to bolster his argument on the other hand, is not.
ReplyUniversities have these amenities to justify their rising tuition and room and board costs. They continue to put restaurants and franchise stores on campuses because academically they are not offering anything new.
Employers are also guilty because this is one way they can limit pay wages. They hold employees stagnant and don’t offer position promotions in order to curtail costs, or practice cronyism or nepotism.
ReplyThese 2 old guys are just saying quotes – Bill get some young people on your panel
ReplyThe academy is ugly, out of focus, over-woke, racist, off their mission, and has way too much money. Reform is at least 50 years overdue. Cut the budget get rid of the communist, clear out that den of snakes!
ReplyWait! Is Maher putting down my degree in Transgender Misidentification???
ReplyBill clearly has no idea how an HR department works. If I can’t trust you to invest in yourself, why should I trust you to invest in my company?
ReplyShout out @Penn State for being blood sucking leech example of what’s wrong with higher Ed.
ReplyThis isn’t true at all.
ReplyI love you Bill, but this coming from a millionaire. You won’t go wrong with a good education and sorry to say, it’s gonna cost you so suck it up. Life ain’t free!!
ReplyThis is a pretty good way to get people to go against their interests. The people he is describing who go to school to party are the ones who can afford college today. The rich kids, who even if they learn nothing have their futures set. People want college affordable for those who will go and actually get something out of it. Why doesn’t he discuss the impact one college graduate has on an entire family tree?
ReplySorry Bill, but you’re dangerously close to becoming as hypocritical as the MAGAt crowd.
Wasn’t it you who just recently celebrated the meritocracy of Spotify? That not everyone with a microphone deserves to be star?
A few years ago, didn’t you deride Liberty University pointing out that the Founding Fathers’ insight and intelligence was borne of their being educated at REAL colleges?
Has college cost gone up way faster than other commodity? Yes, no question.
But the amenities you were mocking here actually aren’t for the average student but the ATHLETES (which you once called out).
Have some courses been turned into feel-good fluff? Again, no question.
But this has ALWAYS been true to a degree, something you used to champion as academic freedom.
Have grades been inflated? Undeniably.
But not because education is worthless but, initially to keep young men from losing academic deferrals from the Vietnam War draft, then pumped up by the self-esteem movement and trophy syndrome, two things you have railed against regularly.
But you REALLY veer off the cliff with the insinuation that people who don’t go to college shouldn’t subsidize those who do.
Again, didn’t you call for the “Everything They Have We Want Act” advocating the US adopt European programs like universal healthcare, affordable day care, FREE or LOW-COST COLLEGE?
I’m pretty sure you don’t need the child care or the college benefits, so why were they a good idea a few years ago, but not anymore?
You made some good points here, but when you ball it up with the overarching premise that education itself is not a worthy pursuit, you cede the MAGAts argument.
If education is truly so unnecessary, why do you mention your degree from Cornell? Bruce, Pryor, & Carlin didn’t go to college, so it certainly isn’t a necessary credential for a stand-up comedian.
And for those who are championing a return to shop class and trade schools – they still exist.
Yes, shop and home ec were largely removed – to make room for more academic classes – but many schools still have them in some form.
Trade programs may not seem to get as much promotion as college, but they too are still out there. Many evolved into computer, nanotech, and health care tracks, but carpentry, plumbing, vehicle repair, and electrician programs still exist, often transitioning to community colleges where additional education in business management, law, and communication is added.
Bill, there are certainly legitimate issues in need of attention in higher education.
ReplyBut surely you can focus on the problems and not resort to tossing the baby with the lazy river bath water.
Ok Boomer. His attack on liberal arts is misguided right-wing claptrap.
ReplyAccording to the Washington Post, only 27% of those who graduate from college actually use their degree.
ReplyAs a college graduate, I have to admit I was sitting on the “free college” end of this argument. The arguments in this segment is making me rethink my position. Good on Bill to have the courage to challenge the status quo ideology, on this side of the political spectrum.
ReplySounds like someone who didn’t go to college making a straw man argument by only focusing on a few examples. College is expensive because of demand. If more people chose trade schools or entrepreneurship, college prices would fall, but it’s very competitive, so the solution is more options – not making everyone pay for something that only a few will use.
ReplyI love Bill, but… Do you ever notice how he takes 1 EXTREME example and makes it look like the norm? Way to go, Bill. 👎
ReplyI’ve been saying this for years , part of the problem is employers requiring degrees when it’s not necessary. My husband was a 4.0 student , farmed full time growing up so never went to college . He’s very smart , with an amazing work ethic and loads of common sense .. yet he gets passed up at work for promotions bc of no college degree for someone with half as much work ethic or ability bc of that “ piece of paper “ they earned that has zero to do with the job .
ReplyThis mindset HAS to change . My son went to tech school for welding . Now owns his own house at age 22, with no college debt . He works harder than most his age , but was never college material or “ book smart “. It’s sad we place a degree above work ethic and drive to learn .. employers are missing out on a huge sector of the population that would be amazing employees .
The aim should be to encourage those seeking higher education to pursue careers that there will always be a high demand for, like the medical field, nurses, doctors etc, high tech engineering but please not the arts or other careers where the opportunites are limited
Replysorry bill. total bull. there are plenty of cheap schools, community colleges, online courses. its a free market. if you don’t like education, you don’t have to get it. don’t blame them because they have pricing power. choose to go cheap. go part time (like i did). commute to community college for 2 years. there are so many ways to keep the cost reasonable. college isn’t staring at black boards. if it was, no one would do it. you are 100% wrong.
ReplyIn the last session Bill said Biden was great. Shows you how weak his beliefs are.
ReplyCollege tuition is expensive. I wonder why. I’m sure it’s not because of continuously declining federal budgets which take money from Universities, high schools, and elementary schools and give it to the military-industrial complex.
ReplyFunny I don’t remember many poor people plunging themselves into debt espousing stuff that bill is taking about. Yes let’s not give everyone free education cause the comedian sees no sense in it.
ReplyHow about making k-12 more efficient and effective!!!!
ReplyDisagree with Bill on this one. Yes, we can all point to spoiled kids who see college as partying and the schools are indulging this to recruit students, but everyone should be able attend college and the main problem is that it has gotten too expensive. Who the heck can afford $150k-$200k for college? I dont agree with free, because kids will take I for granted, but make it so a student can work and pay their way through college, which used to be possible. Making it affordable would also help refocus on the core mission of education.
ReplyBill has become so cringe
ReplyYes there’s no limit on how much these colleges are charging us! What are they charging us for??? Even on a full scholarship, I still had to take out loans and work to get a degree 😩
ReplyAlways remember….
“Everything has it’s limits – iron ore cannot be educated into gold.”
Reply~ Mark Twain
The most snobbish, elitist bullshit I’ve heard lately from bill. The point of having free colleges isn’t to “give away free degrees”, it’s to keep more young Americans from going into debt. You know…the way you fucking boomers didn’t have to worry about going into debt. I guess at this rate, Bill wouldn’t mind making poor people pay out of pocket for public schools as well.
ReplyI had this argument with my sister( she’s pretty liberal), and she thinks that higher education is a way of looking at someone, and…that it can make or break your life. She tried shoveling this to my brother(Started his own specialty wheel business). My brother, makes 5 times what she does(She is a LAUSD 4 th grade teacher). Well, after kind of trying to shame my brother and me(I’m also a very successful business owner), for not getting a degree, my brother turned, looked at her and said, “Ellen…I can right a check right now…and buy yours and your neighbor’s houses”. Silence. I personally know, 19 highly successful people…including my wife(she started and runs her own equipment rental company), who NEVER saw the inside of a college classroom. Yes, “Higher Education” DOES have it’s place…but not in every facet of life.
ReplyOkay Bill, you’re right on the bullshit spending by universities, but as someone who JUST graduated, university course loads are incredibly hard with very little care from the higher-ups. And I didn’t get what you’re referring to as a BS degree. I did finance with a minor in computer science. So maybe relax a little.
ReplyThe best investing strategy is to engage in an investment which gives you time to go about your other plans, of which we can term that an advanced investment. I am currently involved in one where I earn 4 figures every 8 days
ReplyStrongly agree, Bill! Much of higher education is designed to just suck money from people at a phase of their lives where they don’t have much of it in order to teach them things they’ll never need in the future and will forget after the exam.
ReplyIt’s just a matter of time before bill is wearing that make America great again hat 😂
ReplyI was thinking about going to college to enhance my nascent writing skills and a little acting but when faced with the unrelated requirements (like a Math class) I said stuff it!
Reply“I’m not fucking paying for that.”
ReplyYes you are, Bill. Yes you are.
I dont really understand what bill maher’s stance or beliefs are here. Is he arguing that we should not go to college and vilify higher education as elitist like rightwingers do?
ReplyI cry BS on his going off on “free college” because it’s not about educating everyone at the likes of Stanford and Harvard and all the other PRIVATE institutions. It’s about free college for at least the 2-year community college level and maybe the 4-year state colleges and universities. The ONLY reason the poor would have to pay for people to go to college is because of the tax breaks the rich get. If taxation were more equal with less loopholes, then the poor wouldn’t have to pay for others’ education. When I was going through the city college system in the 60s and 70s, but it included the 50s, (for about 15 years) it was FREE (in CA. I must add) – even the student body card was optional; only books and materials were the responsibility of the student. Still not everyone could afford to take the time off to learn the trade. The city college I went to offered many vocational classes – auto repair, auto body, landscaping, baking and cooking, construction and cabinet making, computer stuff and way more. Unfortunately they could be 3-4 hour classes in the mornings, and maybe some in the afternoons, and those who had to work in the daytime couldn’t take them.
ReplyI actually agree with this analysis 500%
Replythe comparison to scientology was really alarming
ReplyI’m debt free, went to a trade school. You may ask why did I go. Because I don’t fuckin follow others. This ain’t rocket science. I’m retarded and even i know as an American, i don’t just roll over and follow.
I sleep at night, not a single fuckin worry about college debt. Not a single second.
ReplyI get it but… come’on. He said it: Go to college, get a Bachelor’s degree and you’ll make alot of $$$. Get a Master’s, you get more! Sorry…. That’s the way it goes.
ReplyThank you for seeing things for what they are and not catering to one crowd or the other!
ReplyMy college degree ruined my life. I’d never go again. It was a huge scam.
ReplyAnti-Biden Bill attacks Democrat’s agenda. Go figure?
ReplyBill, your Depends are on too tight again. I know how cranky that makes you.
Replycouldn’t agree more with this.
ReplyTrue
Replythe issue isnt that collegedegree is unimportant. Its that employers see it as important. So thus its important. And this will open college to poorer people. And the reason why we have to take sport marketing is you NEED an elective because colleges want you to pay for that. And if your doing multiple hard classes, you will pick a BULLSHIT class, because your work load is horrible.. Now they key is not requiring it
Replyboo! no one is saying make a low-income person pay FFS! unless that person does high frequency trades on the stoke market??? no..
ReplyIt funny Mhaer goes on a rant how we need more cyber security. That we need people who can deal with tech..but shits on institutions that may teach people in those fields
ReplyMaybe I’m getting more liberal or Maher is getting more conservative, but I agree with many of his recent comments including this one. Liberals have the idea of college wrong, the concept of college should be that people that go to college that need to, not everyone needs to and not everyone has the aptitude or desire, that’s just reality. Stop teaching every high school student in this country that their life is over if they don’t go to high school. If you do that you don’t have all these under employed or unemployed college grads begging the democrats to forgive their legally assumed college debts which is pure insanity
ReplyWell done Bill
ReplyI’m a computer tech. I never went to college, but most of my coworkers did. We make the same amount of money but I don’t have college loans..
ReplyNo hes right
ReplyBill Maher is pushing the religious/GOP fallacy of teaching a Man to Fish, he eats for life.
I can’t imagine what my life would have been like without an education. I have been to trade school. I am a retired ASE Master Automotive Technician. I also have a Master’s Degree in Education with an emphasis on teaching Mathematics. I teach Maths as a second career.
My wife has her Doctorate in Nursing. I am sure with the pandemic recently, we all wish for uneducated nurses and doctors buried in student loan debt looking for cures to covid, or cancer, or diabetes, or looking for treatments in pain relief from suffering….
FWIW Bill: Trade school for an automotive technician is about $35,000 a year. It takes two years and another $30,000 investment in your own tools to ‘change that tire’ you think a qualified technician doesn’t need an education. Don’t get me started how much it cost to open my own transmission shop.
A fella that wants to be a mechanic, great! You are going to make about $25-$30 an hour flat-rate. Does that have to cost $35,000 a year for two years, and $30,000 in tools? Or–are you suggesting these guys and gals take unpaid internships?
This is real world Billy Bob.
‘Teaching a man to fish,’ still comes with a price. He has to buy bait, a fishing rod, and a fishing line just to eat for the day. If he owns his own home and has house payments and/or kids, he probably needs to buy a boat. And with commercial fishing–as you know from your position on the PETA board, overfishing has consequences. There is licensing and regulations. What is that investment?
How obtuse.
I have no problems with trade schools. I have no problems with academics. I have problems with degrees and Doctorate’s in Theology. Evidence matters.
Bill Maher struck out bad on this one. There are two types of people that lambast education:
** Those that are educated trying to convince uneducated people they do not need an education for their own personal gain.
** Educated people telling uneducated you need an education so people like the former cannot lie to you.
Fu8k Bill Maher.
ReplyIf your parents are readers or take an interest in the world, you’ll. Learn more there than in a class room unless your teachers are truly committed to the job. It’s amusing that American colleges have scholarships for Sport, it does reveal how useless they really are if you want an education’.
ReplyUK Prime minister John Major never went to college.
ReplyYAY! I officially love Bill Maher again!
ReplyFuck nnn get em…some brains,it’s sooooo nice 2 C…LOL ya m8te from Australia
ReplyGetting harder to stand how out of tough Bill is, and he isn’t as funny as either
ReplyYup I agree with Bill
ReplyBiden’s plan is for ALL types of secondary and higher education… something which will PREVENT, God-willing this legislation passes and our democracy lasts that long, another wave of 75million undereducated voters trying to flush it down the toilet again for an authoritarian whackjob.
ReplyCapitalists and their pseudo-left mouthpieces:
“Capitalism is the only system that lets you chase your dreams”
Also Capitalists and their pseudo-left mouthpieces: “Fuck Art degrees, History degrees, Literature degrees, or any other degree that’s not profitable for capitalists to exploit.”
ReplyWhat is this take?
Bill just gave one off examples of colleges of colleges wasting money, a couple people who took advantage of the system and tried to make a case for why college is unnecessary and used no data. How can America continue to be at the forefront of technology and advancement if hacks like this are telling people not to go to college? As a black man from poverty I wouldnt be where I was in college and this is the case for millions more. The majority of majors people get (health professions, business, engineering, physiology) absolutely need degrees so wby do people act like people dont get them? What a boomer. This anti intellectualism is going to be the death of america.
ReplyUnusual there’s mention stuffed cabinets courtesy of it. The continued issue of segregated education. The incoming preschool debt collection calls during super change.
ReplySo true, education has become an industry here. Immigrants are the customers
ReplyI have a college degree and never did a damn thing with it. I make more money swinging a hammer for the railroad then my degree ever would have paid.
ReplyLol all the ones in comments upset about the scam are the ones who fell for it
ReplyWow, poor confused audience. Have they removed the neon APPLAUD NOW sign?
ReplyRare swing and miss by Maher here. Contradicts himself over and over.
Reply“College cost doubles every 9 years…4 times than the rate of inflation…and no one knows how to change a tire”…wow
ReplyLooking back I’m pretty sure my high school had a deal with colleges to push their students to sign up. Not once did anyone mention trade schools.
ReplyYou asked, “Is it really liberal for someone who doesn’t go to college and makes less money to pay for people who do go and make more?”
ReplyAnswers: 1) Only State colleges and universities would be tuition-free subsidized by State tax revenues. Private institutions will still be able to charge high tuition. Housing, food and books will not be free in either case.
2) State taxes support a wide array of programs that benefit State residents. Should my tax dollars go to State Parks if I never go to them? Should my tax dollars support schools if I have no children? Should my tax dollars support a public pool if I never go swimming? Should my tax dollars pay for road repairs when I don’t own a car? The answer to all is a resound YES! Our tax dollars support many beneficial programs that make the State a better place for everyone.
Before long, Bill is going to be cancelled for being too “right wing”.
ReplyI was definitely the last graduating college class to get a 4 year degree for $100K that pays me $420,000 a year for a 4 hour workday…
ReplyIf the left really cared about college education then instead of asking others to pay for it they would be pushing legislation that would limit how much fees colleges could ask. Cuz the amount of fees in US colleges is unnecessarily high. Here in india i pay 1/10th (LITERALLY) for the same degree for which US students pay 10 times more.
ReplyBingo!
ReplyYes there are some big problems as to the government subsidizing our higher education entities, therefore the institutions themselves crank up the price per credit which has inherently dragged all of our younger generations into staggering debt but this message falls on deaf ears when coming from Bill Maher, a comedian with zero higher education reading off a script that was written by his team of writers behind the curtain, let’s just try to keep some of this this in perspective.
ReplyKids should be required to stay in state if they are getting help with college. I had a friend who was from ALBand went to SC for college and ended up spending over 150k. I stayed in my home state and spent 14k. I also worked full time so $0 debt.
ReplyAll I know is there are a lot of people with gender studies degrees that aren’t qualified to work at Starbucks. Having a degree in a useless field does not prepare a person for the real world and the job market.
ReplyMake college more affordable, not free.
ReplyI’ve seen more broke in debt college grads than not. Who’s smarter now?
ReplySo Bill was complaining about the price yet preaches go to college. That so called higher salary is going to pay off that debt IF you get a job.
ReplyWhat took you so long to figure out Bill. $$$.. That’s the reason for the easy admission and ballooning tuition fees. They graduate soona cum later and sigma phi nothing.
ReplyMy wife is a librarian, has her master’s and she does way more than file books and makes well above average salary. Until libraries are closed
ReplyThat whole thing was pretty stupid. Most arguments were picked from corner cases. Colleges are business and they might be evil, but education is relevant. That’s what let us evaluate Maher’s good arguments from the idiot ones.
ReplyHe’s so close to the libertarian idea of removing licensing and “certifications”
ReplyI never attended tertiary education but I’m happy for my tax money to fund a better educated populace. Maybe the education system in the US is less effective than where I live, but I wouldn’t expect it could continue very long if it didn’t improve critical thinking and research skills for students…
ReplyBravo Bill Bravo! Of course Dems like as much college as possible because it’s an indoctrination center for left-wing ideologies.
ReplyWhy the random Florida hate? At least they have clean streets and everyone housed. (Disaffected Californian here.) 😕
ReplyBill Maher seems to consistently have the best takes of any liberal political talk show host. All his critics (at least the ones I’ve heard) just tend to point to how his mockery of certain technological innovations have aged poorly… but that’s only a single area where his takes aren’t good, so it’s kind of a stupid criticism.
ReplyI don’t think this is going to be interpreted well. Let’s not race to the bottom.
ReplyEducation is just a business like any body else!
ReplyMoney money money my Friend!..nothing to do with intelligence.
I disagree with you here Bill it has been shown in study after study that education does increase income. Our problem in America is the cost of education. We quality of education. Also the type of education students seek. Remember when you were coming up most public universities we are funded by the government and I don’t mean the government gave the money I mean the government gave the most of the money they need it to educate students. No they didn’t have all these crazy amenities you mentioned and that stuff does need to go we need true education home that’s not what I’m writing about Ronaldo our problem is even in today’s overpriced curriculums if our students shells to study fields that earned money they wouldn’t have these problems with student loan debt. Think about it for a second a student can go and earn a four-year undergraduate degree in psychology I won’t be able to find a job when I graduate because in order to find a job in psychology you need a doctoral degree meanwhile another student can go to school for those same for years and earn a degree as a data scientist they will graduate in easily make $100,000 a year no questions asked. One of our problems seems with many of our students going to college don’t bother to check how much will they earn when they graduate. Another problem in that same vein is most of our students to go to college aren’t ready for college so they choose a curriculum that is easy to them. Right now in a high school student graduating entering college should be prepared to take a higher education math course most or not. In fact many students go to college and the first courses they have to take are refresher courses on high school subject material. That’s right the students go to college and pay to learn what I should’ve learned in high school. I am not going down the road and discussing how public education needs to be fixed K through 12 that’s a whole Nother can of worms but our students aren’t that great most aren’t ready for college but I can’t wait to go. They can’t wait to leave home and get a dorm room and put on their university logos and mom and dad can’t wait to see them off even though most experts what time they need to go to community college first. Not only will it save the money it would actually help them from college level course work.
I remember when I am off to college some of the very first universities I looked at told me you will be forced to take a refresher course. The reason why dumbfounded me they said yes your test scores are great but we see you come from Detroit public schools we automatically make any student from Detroit public schools take refresher level courses. I said you have to be kidding me I’m not going to waste my time studying stuff I already know if we can’t come to an agreement otherwise I’ll go somewhere else. I had to shoot down five universities as a result. Who education system is broken in yet another way. Here you had a student ready to take college level course loads in high school but there is no way to offer those classes to the student so they can start down this road to higher education ASAP. Instead we place walls in front of them. It’s a system that is fundamentally broke we literally need to start from scratch literally.
ReplyDepressing
ReplyIt’s way past time the public universities were audited.
ReplyThe down votes are from progressive college professors who make a living from grants confirming leftwing positions.
ReplyBernie was going to tax wallstreet and not the people. You know our tax money bailed them out, should be the working class’s turn.
ReplyOh man… we could have had a great segment regarding who the SCAM shackles millions of people in debt thus restricting their upward mobility and wealth-building, but Bill obviously had to inject his disdain for university life, the humanities faculty and young people in general to throw the baby with the bath water. He does have some points regarding the overblown prices, colleges being presented as an inevitable option and misguided investments by many institutions, but all free college proposals also include trade school and technical studies anyway, if that’s you consider to be most important.
“Is it really liberal for someone who doesn’t go to college and makes less money to pay for people who do go and make more?” Yes, because the people who go to college and end up making more (as you assume they would) will also be “paying” the most for it anyway. Do people really have this idea that when they pay taxes they get to pick exactly where and how their check to the IRS is spent by the government? I get it’s cool to hate on the “elites”, but please stop demonizing higher education just because you have an irrational hate for the humanities faculty and social studies.
Replyask yourself , why does it now take 6 years to get a 4 year degree? 6 years are nore expensive than 4.
Replywhich is why education should be public, then it doesn’t cost much.
Reply“Staring ar blackboards”… BILL YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN COLLEGE, OBVIOUSLY.
ReplyNothing Bill says is steeped in fact anymore.
jfc Bill Maher is nothing but an old, raving lunatic that is jealous of youth.
ReplyHe’s BITTER.
BILL MAHER IS A BITTER OLD MAN that clings to the fantasy that he’s more worthy than young people.
Bill “Bitter old man” Maher.
ReplyA few of the points here have merit, but I haven’t seen so many straw-man arguments in one segment since that last time I made myself watch Tucker Carlson (just to see how crazy they’re getting).
ReplyLet’s make it so: if you want to go to college you can easily afford it, if you don’t you can still support yourself with a good paying job, but the guy who studied for years to obtain the know-how should still get the edge.
I taught myself woodworking/carpentry in my youth and made a good living at it for decades, but I don’t think for a minute I should’ve made more than a doctor/nurse. We can open up all kinds of possibilities if we get the rich to pay their share of taxes and we stop listening to their advice on how WE should live.
I guess Bill doesn’t want us developing anything new or innovative.
Replyya people with a degree earn more… ya go to college!
ReplyYour higher education systems are propped up by overseas students because universities are so underfunded.
ReplyI don’t have a degree and I have to teach kids with a degree what to do to get paid more than me… It’s not about the education I simply want to get the ticket into the club of well paid people
ReplyFree education for all
ReplyOK Boomer…
ReplyWhy does Bill Maher have a face that people want to punch? Asking for a friend.
ReplyCollege is a big money making scam
ReplyYou dont have to go to college to have common sense
ReplyJust a small note bill indulgences we’re not a ticket to heaven.
Catholics believe that you have to take care of the real world consequences of your sin as well as asking forgiveness. You ask forgiveness it’s cleanse from your soul but you have to pay back what you did. So if I yelled at my wife for no decent reason I have to go apologize to her and say I was being an ass. I have to clear the slate. If I stole something because I really needed it at the time I have to replace it.
The problem is what happens if you’re wealthy merchants and you go into Knigge well I’ve been selling short wait on migraine for the last 25 years. You can’t fix it. Yes you’re at the end of your life you’re realizing there’s an issue so what are you do. You do something good for everyone. The primary issue being that the Catholic Church at the time was the primary and is still the largest, charity in the world. So what do you want to do OK give us some money and it’ll help with the leper colony over there. We can use the money and will have a hospice. And I know over 2000 years the Catholic Church build up a lot of pretty beautiful things made out of gold but there’s still the biggest charity in the world. And some of the stuff they have is phenomenal examples of art and history.
Anyway little thing it’s not the ticket to heaven the ticket of had to have an is saying I’m sorry I really mean it and the indulgence is how to fix a general thing I did screwing over all of mankind. Pretty much the same reason we have Carnegie Hall. Hey I was a selfish dick I got a lot of money now I’m gonna do something good.
ReplyBill, you sound too righteous. Nothing wrong with education, only with the greed and not being able to discern between information and knowledge.
ReplyI’ve been screaming everything from 3:50 on ever since I opted to go get IT certifications rather than some irrelevant to my field degree in the 90’s. Never really thought I’d agree with Bill Maher, but here we are.
ReplyI’ve been saying for 10 years. Classes don’t replace experience on the job
ReplyBill, this is THE BEST description of our education system I have ever heard. Thank you for saying this!
ReplyAttack the greedy colleges…not education….do you really want your doctor to learn on the job?…Sometimes Bill can be a giant douche.
ReplyYou need a super educated and self-aware populace in the 21st century. Go back to smoking sum dope!
ReplyBill Maher saying what conservatives have been saying my entire life, yet still making fun of them while doing it…?
ReplyThe people who go to college, by far, create the jobs that the people who don’t go to college, get. Sorry, investing in education has always paid off. Also if you don’t work hard to finish college, you are in a bad program or poor college.
ReplyHis audience laughs and claps, all the while ignorant that he is addressing them….or not caring.
ReplyIf Bill’s not careful, he might be self-aware enough to figure out he’s a libertarian instead of an authoritarian leftist. I mean….. saying the way to solve the problem of rampant higher-education inflation is to make a diploma less important RATHER than by passing legislation is akin to saying that the solution to money in politics is to make government smaller. Dangerous stuff for a “leftist”…..
ReplyMe and millions of working professionals have 4yr degrees and 25+yrs experience and still in the lower middle class. I will never have enough money to retire or live well in my later years. Also, SS is scheduled to only pay out 60%. I will have to down size to a mobile home and eat rice to survive in retirement and I’m doing well in comparison the majority.
ReplyConservatives were 100% right about everything while Cuomo/Fauci have been exposed as complete frauds.
Told ya.
Replyboo mister. I guess I can call you “pappy” on that one
ReplyNah, education won’t trickle down to Florida.
ReplyMake trade schools plumbers,electricians,mechanic,those were unions schools but they are gone,,,,,,,STEM school should be free if you give 2 years to your country
ReplyMy wife and I both went to Maritime Academy, you get a college degree AND a merchant Mariner license, one of the few colleges where there is a high demand for you right out of school and you can go straight to making minimum $100K immediately
ReplyOne of the 1st times I’ve agreed with Bill Maher 100%.
ReplyTrade schools or the military are the way to go.
ReplySpot on Mahar!!!!!!!
ReplyLate to the game again Bill.
ReplyILLEGITIMATE#46 …
ReplyIdiot EXTRAORDINARY…..
What happens when you are SELECTED and not ELECTED
One of the rare occasions when I agree with Maher.
ReplyPeople spend less than 5 hours a week studying? For a degree? An actual degree? What are they studying?
ReplyFunny stuff.
ReplySeems that Bill Maher has come full circle, back to rational intelligent thought. Impressive.
ReplyIsn’t this what Mike Rowe been saying for years?
ReplyI went straight into the workforce out of highschool into an unrecognized trade. I’ve taken part time studies and used Google U and YouTube U and I make far more than many of my peers that went to college/university and no student loans!
ReplyMaher is slowly being redpilled and it’s glorious
ReplyYeah Bill, and for years you and your side have coddled and supported this free shit for years!!! And FYI, I was in San Francisco last month and saw the amount of homelessness, boarded up businesses and people shooting up on the sidewalks. I’m glad I’m back in Florida.
ReplyFor once i agree with Maher
ReplyI am starting to like Bill more and more. I don’t agree with him on a lot of things but I feel like he’s honest and just calling things as he sees them. I’m glad he’s starting to see the bullshit with today’s leftists
ReplyTotally agree!! we are paying lots of money to these to brainwash and dumb down our kids!
ReplyIt’s a massive tax scam and administrations of these schools, along with profs of sociology should be jailed as traitors to their country and to humanity.
ReplyI’d much rather employ someone who has done an apprenticeship. The problem with a lot of university-educated people is that they think they know better than everyone else without actually being able to prove it
ReplyIt’s the age old problem of kingdom building. It’s the pursuit of power, money, and status. Typically, it goes under the guise of helping humanity, protecting the planet, providing for a better future. But too often when the shit hits the fan, the highest priority is protecting the image and prestige of the universities, not the thousands of women who have been sexually assaulted on campuses.
ReplyI’m a mobile groomer who makes $150,000 a year. I have an associates degree which cost me a lot more that the training program for my trade.
ReplyWhat’s that saying? One is nothing without an good college education…Yet the college educated are mostly the ones on the unemployment list…
ReplyFinally some actual sanity
ReplyThe elites want everyone to pay for their benefits.
ReplyHe’s spot on! Don’t care fir Bill Maher, but at least he thinks snd speaks for himself!
ReplyI do not agree with him often but agree 100% on this –
ReplyWhen did Bill become a woke libertarian?
Replyi went to the military after HS school…went to war, had some combat action…i wouldn’t change a thing, but that college sounds like fun😏
ReplyNothing he said was funny, but I agree with his sentiment. College is a scam and has been for decades. I can’t believe I agree with him.
ReplyWow, I am normally repulsed by this man. But he is dead on here.
ReplyFor some trades this is true and others definitely need the regulation. Medical is one that needs the regulation where as computer programming (what I do) is something you can learn on the internet. I jumped the line and got way more experience in a year at work than I would have going to school for 4 years.
ReplyConservatives have been saying all this for a long time. Glad to see you could get on the same page.
ReplyThe Wokeists have proven over time how stupid college is. I say this as someone enrolled and in debt. Waste of fucking time. The Scientology comparison is too accurate.
ReplyCollege is a debt scam designed for stupid people, lol
ReplyDon’t you just love speaking to a liberal and them touting their higher education to you as if they are masters of the universe. I always resort to telling them the world is in the sad shape it is today because of all of you highly educated wizards.
ReplyThere are problems with higher education but an educated society is a prosperous one. We need this.
ReplyThis subject gets to people because it’s they give that diploma as status & over all worth as a human in general, my parents had their diplomas on the wall ,attacking higher education is like going after jesus….thanks bill
ReplyBut Bernie is going to forgive all those young people college debts.
ReplyAs soon as Biden leaves the white house and is replaced by DeSantis I’m joining the national guard. Way more intelligent way to pursue a career.
ReplyBill is spot on – how is he still a leftie? Weird…
Replytaxes pay for the roads that everyone uses. taxes should pay for education that will benefit everyone.
ReplySpot on, Mr. Maher. I usually don’t agree with a thing you say, but no one can argue with your logic on this one.
ReplyPeople have been saying this for years. In the United States a collage degree is the most over rated piece of paper imaginable.
ReplyAnd he isn’t canceled yet, clock’s ticking lol
ReplyBill is coming around to the fact that the Dem Party’s strategy is pandering and handouts
ReplyI would say “FUCK Olivia Jade” but at this point who hasn’t?
ReplyWow
ReplyI have 10 years of college education and the equivalent of 2 undergraduate degrees (with minors in Computer Science, Spanish lit, and Majors in Music and French). I can absolutely attest to the paywall around universities. I went heavily into debt to get a 2nd degree from a UC that eventually helped me land a sr. Engineering job. The entire experience felt like a ponzi scheme to enrich university administration, and all the satellite businesses (enriching the for-profit, privately owned student housing monopoly and student parking ticket administration) that prey upon college students. I am completely disgusted by the transparent greed of our public university system.
ReplyTouche’
ReplyBill fails to mention that it was his own political party that created this grift.. His own political party, who truly aren’t liberals anymore, created a great college scam. They’re the ones who allowed the colleges to charge whatever they want, it was his political party that set up the roadblocks that forced certain job opportunities to require a pointless degree and is was his political party that abandoned the idea of hard work and self reliance.. I was a liberal. I was a lifelong democrat. But not anymore. The party is too far left and too corrupt at this point.. They make me feel like a stranger in my own country anymore.. Bill, your party sold out and is now dead.
ReplyIf everyone goes to college;who will clean our toilets?
ReplyHey, in the description of the vid can you also cite sources for information/graphs used?
Thanks.
ReplyThe part at 1:50 was really dumb. Nearly all income and tax revenue is from people with bachelors and masters degrees. THEY would pay for others go to college, not high school graduates.
ReplyWant to really make America great again? Turn so-called colleges from both the Left (UC Berkeley) & the Right (Prager U.) into full-blown trade schools. 🧰
ReplyAs I can remember being told to go to college by a person who is standing in a building built by people who didn’t go to college drinking water eating food almost all the living necessities were provided to that person by people who didn’t go to college people are just to many generations off of the farm now a days
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ReplyWatch everyone while one of the worlds most famous ‘liberals’ displays his conservatism. Despite the fact that there is a dearth of research on this topic, despite the fact that every other developed nation has some form of free or subsidised state run university , he chooses to ignore this and simply sprays talking points from the right. I am disappointed to see him fall from grace. Last week he was running interference for the occupation of Palestine. This week he is railing against education. Sad to see… Hitchens would be disgusted.
In case anyone reads this and is feeling contrarian : ‘I’m not fucking paying for that’ is the catch-cry of the Right wing and their bourgeoise masters.
ReplyIm a plumber and I make 110k last year and I have no debt
ReplyI other words Trump University was no different than all the others.
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